tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4324004974797989962.post8641126097938265361..comments2023-08-16T05:50:40.356-07:00Comments on Because all the cool kids are doing it...: OK, so I keep my promises… and my Marathon Training ChoicesNeil Zeehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02314081507877138432noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4324004974797989962.post-20904703323906685592010-12-23T12:26:58.532-08:002010-12-23T12:26:58.532-08:00hal hal hal hal hal!!!hal hal hal hal hal!!!The Boring Runnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13073380265420100975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4324004974797989962.post-49905501599270861312010-12-19T20:23:20.134-08:002010-12-19T20:23:20.134-08:00Wow, that's really interesting - I love how yo...Wow, that's really interesting - I love how you researched and compared some of them. Thanks!The Green Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02319714826599995511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4324004974797989962.post-10448388821872165922010-12-16T20:54:18.295-08:002010-12-16T20:54:18.295-08:00I think you could easily go with any of those onli...I think you could easily go with any of those online plans, as someone said above, they are basically in the same ballpark as far as mileage and intensity, but personally (and you knew I'd throw this in - ha) what I don't like about them is the adjustment along the way. Your pace will adjust as your V02max increases with training, and a slew of other variables. RW gives you a plan from start to finish, that's it, here you go. I don't know enough about the others but maybe they're similar. That's why I like Jack's book - if you went with an non-coached plan. Plus, it's a little more Bad Ass then some of these other plans because it is a little more personalized according to your current fitness level and adjusts as you improve. Now...if you wanted to go totally personalized - then I know just the person who can help you :).<br /><br />Really, though - email me if you have any questions!!<br /><br />And thanks TONS for the GU, haven't tried that flavor and will be anxious to do so. Thank you. Oh, and the pictures are great - going to put those on bulletin board at work!!Jillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10174883718651790845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4324004974797989962.post-5679322641148987352010-12-16T20:23:40.900-08:002010-12-16T20:23:40.900-08:00That plan looks pretty sweet if you ask me. Weird...That plan looks pretty sweet if you ask me. Weird that your, mine, and Q's achilles have been hurting. All of a sudden for me. I have been stretching during my runs too and boy does it help. Glad the shoe/sock think worked too. Remember, no time goal for a 1st marathon.Chris Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06670072457969152936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4324004974797989962.post-72146641263323355812010-12-16T13:16:59.936-08:002010-12-16T13:16:59.936-08:00I think a plan is invaluable first time around. It...I think a plan is invaluable first time around. It's reassuring to know you have some expertise on your side. And how can you go past Lee Troop - he's a great Aussie runner.Charhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13819714901550763235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4324004974797989962.post-81587716228722358682010-12-16T09:46:56.932-08:002010-12-16T09:46:56.932-08:00Have you looked at the Nike+ site? I thought they...Have you looked at the Nike+ site? I thought they had plans as well, and it's integrated with the Nike+ software, which you can run on your iPhone and use the GPS (I think). And it should all be free, since you have the phone already.<br /><br />As far as me and the Running Room stuff... I used them to get me started with the "Learn To Run" and then the 10k clinic. That took me up to October of 2009. After that, I started with a coach I met online, who designed a custom training program for me, based on the goals I had and the time I was willing to invest. It was a very significant departure from the RR philosophy. Their focus is getting people to be able to "complete" a specific race distance. My current program is designed to make me as "competitive" as possible for the race distances. I still only compete with myself, but I'm working on it... :)<br /><br />The first 4 months of my training program were base mileage building... Ramping up from 35 k/week to 85, and from 3 days per week to 6. The only speed work I did during this period was occasional marathon-paced sections in some long runs.<br /><br />In February 2010, I hit my original HM race goal 4 months early, which was 1:55. So we reset my training goals, and started the "quality" training portion for another 4 months. Same mileage, but with tempo and interval runs. In May of 2010, I hit my new revised goal of 1:39.<br /><br />From what I saw, I like the marathon-training plan, although I personally don't like the idea of setting up your training paces based on your goal. Rather, I've been taught to train based on your current fitness level. By that, I mean that I could say my current goal is to do a 2:45 marathon. But if I went out and started doing my runs at a pace based on that, I'd seriously hurt myself. But if I take my last race results and use those for determining my paces, I'll work my way up in an appropriate manner. It could be that I'm mis-understanding the wording or functioning of the site though, as I've only seen the Week 1 charts.<br /><br />I've also been taught to do either base mileage building OR quality workouts... Combining the two together increases the risk of injury.<br /><br />Just my $0.02... I'm definitely not an expert, and I've never run anywhere close to a sub 3:00 marathon! These are just things that my coach emphasized over the last year.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13080813469344544104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4324004974797989962.post-80209667509317482942010-12-16T09:42:11.709-08:002010-12-16T09:42:11.709-08:00Overall goals are good - I trained for a 4:15/30 m...Overall goals are good - I trained for a 4:15/30 marathon, but things conspired against me and I finished in just over 5 hours. I'm glad I didn't train for a 5 hour marathon, but I can't be disappointed in my finish. It was my first and it is what it is. NOW I can try for a PR!Alannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18070114754938223299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4324004974797989962.post-38022799752656617812010-12-16T08:44:24.788-08:002010-12-16T08:44:24.788-08:00Some people thrive with the structure of a plan, e...Some people thrive with the structure of a plan, especially for their first marathon.<br /><br />Just remember you are the expert of what works for you, as demonstrated by ditching your shoes. Seriously, the people who come up with these plans really don't know much more than you do about running.<br /><br />Glad your back at it! Good luck with the training though the winter. <br />We are about to head out into the slush and freezing rain, which I think belongs to you.achttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177599337836349850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4324004974797989962.post-10970120715686092542010-12-16T08:03:59.171-08:002010-12-16T08:03:59.171-08:00@Josh: The Half in Red Deer is more about Camping ...@Josh: The Half in Red Deer is more about Camping for the Long Weekend than it is running! I am looking to have a PR in Family time fun!Neil Zeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02314081507877138432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4324004974797989962.post-60117114938253132642010-12-16T07:59:33.222-08:002010-12-16T07:59:33.222-08:00Fantastic Stuff Keep the comments coming!! I do kn...Fantastic Stuff Keep the comments coming!! I do know that the plans are all a variation of the same theme, but I lean toward an interacive plan (possibly at a price) because it needs to be fun for me! I am not person who runs just for the sake of it. The Running Room program worked for me because of the social element of it, along with the structure it provided! So its a definite NO to the About.com plan. Sorry AdamDotCom. <br /><br />I am going to plan for 'no plan' for the Marathon, but I don't think it's unreasonable to have a plan for effort and training, which will shape an overall expectation. If I don't have that, it makes it too hard to set training goals. Am I right?Neil Zeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02314081507877138432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4324004974797989962.post-11236547116303393212010-12-16T07:55:05.689-08:002010-12-16T07:55:05.689-08:00I'm so glad your foot is better! When I had to...I'm so glad your foot is better! When I had to lay off for a whole month with my achillies, I was so irritated. But rest was the only thing that would fix it.Katehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542230897888388433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4324004974797989962.post-32587737964141696252010-12-16T06:43:27.910-08:002010-12-16T06:43:27.910-08:00All I have to say about any training program is th...All I have to say about any training program is that if it doesn't have enough built in rest time is could mean more chances to injure. Smart training is what you need to focus on.<br /><br />And remember that for any first timer, don't make any unrealistic goals especially a hard and fast time goal. You should really focus on finishing the training and the race with a smile on your face and enjoy every moment. You can worry about PB on your next marathon!<br /><br />Happy Running!SuzyFayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02690164947042131041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4324004974797989962.post-44251062607457413162010-12-16T06:42:06.548-08:002010-12-16T06:42:06.548-08:00I just got mapmyrun on my iphone also. I use Garmi...I just got mapmyrun on my iphone also. I use Garmin but ever so often when i am away from home I go on a run and don't have my garmin with me. Feels like running naked or something.<br />How will you ever pick one plan out of all those? I would say flip a coin but there a more than two. Toss a die?Ewahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17005438284707424779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4324004974797989962.post-22484145852579860032010-12-16T06:36:29.129-08:002010-12-16T06:36:29.129-08:00Nice research, just bummed you didn't sign up ...Nice research, just bummed you didn't sign up for a race down under.KovasPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03401299101228398072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4324004974797989962.post-10142351645755357682010-12-16T06:30:19.277-08:002010-12-16T06:30:19.277-08:00Yes I agree with Josh, the plans are basically all...Yes I agree with Josh, the plans are basically all the same!! The paces or miles differ on different days.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4324004974797989962.post-71578428532961790582010-12-16T05:17:34.108-08:002010-12-16T05:17:34.108-08:00I'm still waiting to see a site that integrate...I'm still waiting to see a site that integrates better with my Garmin... ie, I can easily upload my workouts, and see how close I got to the goal pace/ heart rate/ etc. and I should be able to upload specific, personalized workouts back to my Garmin.<br />As great as pace-based training is, one of these days I'm going to get my VO2 Max tested, and do some serious hr-based training... maybe when I win the lottery.Jarrett @ "PaddlePedalPlod"https://www.blogger.com/profile/04273823505854781790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4324004974797989962.post-6188406444020664452010-12-16T04:02:20.303-08:002010-12-16T04:02:20.303-08:00They're all variations on a theme, with the di...They're all variations on a theme, with the difference being in the details of the documentation. That is, I bet you will run just as well with a plan you got from about.com than a private, customized plan you pay for. <br /><br />What the benefit of the detailed (and at a cost) plans is you might have a better understanding of what you're doing. <br /><br />No matter what, though, your plan is going to be this (assuming four runs a week):<br /><br />Day one - medium distance and easy pace<br />Day two - medium distance and fast pace<br />Day three - short distance and easy pace<br />Day four - long distance and medium pace<br /><br />Or something like that. The whole point is to practice running long distances. <br /><br />Blah blah blah. I think your schedule looks good, although I wouldn't look to set any records for your half marathon after the full.<br /><br />Glad the foot is better!Junk Milerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03723994360604534157noreply@blogger.com